Which celebs do you dislike most?

[BlueWahooChambordDevil]

where i come from we are told that you need to make sure you fund your future and start doing it early.......we are also taught that when you need anything financially......you exhaust all resources available to you before you even ask another family member for help

[imported_elp6n]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlueWahooChambor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And you have a financial background, is that correct?
I feel for anyone using your services.

This is how people lose everything. Because they do have to get a second mortgage, they have to take out credit lines, equity lines. These things have to be paid back.

A lifetime illness(my nephew will be dealing with this until the day he dies) can cost millions. You just really have no clue what healthcare really costs, I'll leave it at that. And I hope you dont find yourself in a position like that to find out first-hand what I'm talking about. Learning the hard way kind of sucks. </div></div>
so instead of having to take money you have to pay back......and taking the responsibility yourself.....you rely on handouts from others?

what kind of strategy is that??

your dedication and love for a sick family member should be enough motivation to do something like take out an equity line and bust your ass to make sure you can pay it back without losing your house

thats still 1000 times better than not taking every available resource you have but hoping others can bail you out without taking money out of your pocket or house or retirmenet account

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My family does bust it to make things work. They use what insurance they can - they get the bills paid, and they'll keep their house. But if they need ronald mcdonald house to help them during yet another surgery they'll use it. If an upcoming surgery had no insurance coverage (these things average $100K or more each) they'd use St. judes if possible.

Never ONCE did I say they'd milk others before reaching into their own pockets. They reach into their own pockets first. You're making some outlandish assumptions about these things.

They'll take help when absolutely necessary.

Like i said - hope it never happens to you.

[BlueWahooChambordDevil]

you dont take help from anybody until you have spent every single penny you can get yourself......then and only then when you have dried up every resource available do you even consider going anywhere else for help.......and when you get to that point.....you have done all you can do.....then i dont have a problem with asking for help......i do however have a big problem with people asking for help from others when they have 100k in equity in their house that they dont want to take out simply because they would have "to pay it back"

that to mne is pure BS

and at that point where you finally need to ask for help from others.......you still dont tell people who have the most money that they have a "social responsibility" to donate some of it to anybody as somebody here did earlier

there are a number of charitable groups out there that get money from various sources......most of which donate for one reason or another.....some for the write offs.....others because they have a connection to a certain group.....others because they simple feel like it......but none because they have a "social responsibility" to do so

thats the issue i have

i have a serious problem with somebody saying people like bill gates who have more money than anybody have some sort of a responsibility to donate money to help others out

they do it because they want to......not because its their job to do so

[pvfan]

This is the classic South vs. North view on this one. Many southerners feel morally obligated to donate while those from the north see more worthless people who do nothing and don't see the point of helping those who wont help themselves. Just my .02, it happens around here but for the most part people around here do work.

[BlueWahooChambordDevil]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the classic South vs. North view on this one. Many southerners feel morally obligated to donate while those from the north see more worthless people who do nothing and don't see the point of helping those who wont help themselves. Just my .02, it happens around here but for the most part people around here do work. </div></div>
it has nothing to do with north vs south

it isnt about seeing worthless people.....its about those who try to get help when they havent fully helped themselves first

[R13]

Cant really argue with idiots, theres really no point...ppl that dont see the good in helping others if you got it....Nobody is saying it is a law or you have to do....but most normal humans do

[BlueWahooChambordDevil]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raider13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cant really argue with idiots, theres really no point...ppl that dont see the good in helping others if you got it....Nobody is saying it is a law or you have to do....but most normal humans do </div></div>
again the difference is.......yes some people like to help others and choose to do so

but you said it was their "social responsibility" to do so

that is not true at all

its their choice.....not social responsibility

[R13]

Show me where I said that?

[plantsman]

I believe Biggin's the one who used the "socially responsible" phrase.

[BlueWahooChambordDevil]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raider13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Show me where I said that? </div></div>
ok.....sorry it was biggin who said that

you said "its the right thing to do"